The real reason Boeing's new plane crashed twice

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Souvik RC
Souvik RC - 4 saatler önce
N M They are.
rubberchicken8088
rubberchicken8088 - 4 saatler önce
korrdavl You are incorrect. The video did not state that thrust was the cause of the pitch up behavior. It is likely a combination of aerodynamic problems as detailed here: www.quora.com/What-is-wrong-with-Boeing-737-Max-Aircraft
Dexter Francis
Dexter Francis - 7 saatler önce
+Guinness - I did not say it was solely down to pilot error. It can always be argued that anything should be designed to be so inherently safe that there is no way for the user to ever be injured. One way to accomplish that is to intrinsically limit the behaviors so that they can never cause a serious injury. The reason the 737 MAX were grounded is laid out in the FAA Emergency Order. (www.faa.gov/news/updates/media/Emergency_Order.pdf) In brief, it states that the Acting FAA Administrator determined that there were enough similarities between the Lion Air and Ethiopian Air events to warrant further investigation. of whether there *might* be a shared cause. In other words - they didn't know the cause(s) and felt it was in the best interest of the public to investigate. At this point Boeing has had the chance to look at the data enough to work up a software change to address at least part of the issue. As for what the fuss, the Order addresses that as well. The FAA has authority over Design, Manufacturing Operation and Training - any one, or two, or all three of which might have contributed to the problem. Are you familiar with the movie "Sully" ?
Guinness
Guinness - 8 saatler önce
Del Dmitrii planes, yes, because pilots are far more highly trained at flying than your average American or Italian driver, planes are far better maintained than average car and the sky is a lot more clear then your average road. So yeah, your average plane is. But not 737 Max's.
iamchampion8
iamchampion8 - Saatler önce
Why don't the people behind Boeing go behind bars? This is homicide by definition.
I Love LoL
I Love LoL - Saatler önce
Very good and objective video
I am a Taurus
I am a Taurus - Saatler önce
lives lost cuz of what? Some bastard wanted to make more money?
Montgomery Bojangles
Montgomery Bojangles - Saatler önce
WOW
Who knew that multi-billion dollar, multi-national companies care SO MUCH about $, and SO LITTLE about human life.
Huge shocker
HITHEREFOLKS
HITHEREFOLKS - Saatler önce
very clearly explained
SuperSnallygaster
SuperSnallygaster - Saatler önce
I'm no 737 pilot, but this strikes me as the high-tech equivalent of a simple trim problem. There's got to be more to the story than what's presented here.
defritzel
defritzel - Saatler önce
You can't solve every problem with software..... then to put a software band-aid on top of the problem, is asking for more trouble.
You can't screw up the aerodynamics of an aircraft and write a program to fix it. That is arrogance of the highest form....
mr Exia
mr Exia - Saatler önce
The KC-X program, the intense lobbying, the attempt to prevent Bombardier from selling their aircraft to the US then that. Boeing is one of the worst companies in the world. All the executives who signed up to design this plane must go to jail for murder.
jack black
jack black - Saatler önce
greed, money,jobs,ego, greed
jshowa o
jshowa o - Saatler önce
Just so you know. Nobody is going to prison for this.
Michael Rodeback
Michael Rodeback - Saatler önce
You can't say it's the real reason they've crashed because the investigation's aren't over and the official reports haven't come out yet. When pilots are trained to fly a commercial airliner they go through intense training to be certified to fly the plane. They have to get a new type rating if they switch to a new plane that either handles differently or has a different cockpit. The MAX does not fit into either of these criteria and therefore it doesn't need a different type rating. Other than that this is a pretty accurate video. On a side note, the Lion Air pilots should have been able to find the solution to the MCAS problem in the QRH. They're the same procedures as the runaway stabilizer.
Hien Nguy Thi Anh
Hien Nguy Thi Anh - Saatler önce
YAY AIRBUS WILL ROSE AGAIN!!!
axeman1717
axeman1717 - Saatler önce
And another Thing ,this is coming from the new York times and they pay there media people to lie
Michael Backhaus
Michael Backhaus - Saatler önce
It sickens me that people may come to this video and actually listen to it as the truth of the situation.
MCAS failed but the pilots not following training in how to disable a runaway stabiliser caused the crash.
Easier to blame Boeing than a dead pilot.
Alexlaza
Alexlaza - Saatler önce
4.3k dislike for a pure fact video... What is wrong with American rightwingers these days?
Killian Crausaz
Killian Crausaz - Saatler önce
Its crazy to see that Boeing's stock keeps going back up when the problem is not even resolved...
Brett B.
Brett B. - Saatler önce
It’s sad when money and greed get in the way of safety which is pretty much constant at least somewhere.
piercoucy
piercoucy - Saatler önce
and........nobody went to prison!!!!
axeman1717
axeman1717 - Saatler önce
you are all stupid people / it wasn't Boeings Fault it was a pilot error All these pilots had to do was flip 2 switches in the cockpit to off position to stop the nose from pointing down, new pilots go to these other Country's trying to build hours in a cockpit of an airplane and dont even think about trying to train on that airplane . this is where the media gets it wrong and tells lies when they dont know the truth. those people died because the pilots didn't study or train to be in that new aircraft and cost everyone there lives so get your facts straight before you post pictures and lies about something. I cant wait until the day comes when the media and people of this world get sued for posting lies on social media
Robin Lytton
Robin Lytton - Saatler önce
Believe this is correct. Compounded by too little actual "flying" by the pilots.
Mr.NaughtyPants
Mr.NaughtyPants - 2 saatler önce
It's just to much unneeded technology, just to jack up the prices of aircraft. If airlines stop buying them, then they'll change. I'm sure if Airlines say to Boeing, We'd like to buy 30 new aircraft, but you will build them this way and without these items. Boeing will build them that way, or they'd lose the sale to Air Bus. The Airlines control this, not Boeing.
Ale Esp
Ale Esp - 2 saatler önce
All those responsible should have been jailed!! But the US government and the FAA are filled with corrupt people taking bribes from the highest bitters. The executives are still enjoying their multi-million $$ lifes while all those families are now dead. That's what I called a f*%^ up society.
exkm4
exkm4 - 2 saatler önce
Lol i recently flew on boeing 737 800 but not the max 8 variant and towards the end of the flight in turbulent weather, we got scared but touched down safely. Beoing is ok but no to 737 max 8 variant just can the whole design mcas software coz i personally wouldnt wanna fly in boeing 737 max 8 or any maxs for that matter. Note to airbus, boeing safety matters or you will pay heavy price for negligence.
Al R
Al R - 2 saatler önce
Complete design flaw and they should be scrapped.
gene poole
gene poole - 2 saatler önce
The further you move away from stick and rudder....
I'm glad I only have a Learjet 24F. I can handle that.
Armand Ortiz
Armand Ortiz - 2 saatler önce
And 24 delegates on a plane bound to crash is not suspicious
sabbage100
sabbage100 - 2 saatler önce
One word: Greed
Mathias A
Mathias A - 2 saatler önce
This is pretty accurate except about some of the engine parts. Actual reason because the B738 MAX 8 crashed is because of the new engines and the trim of the aircraft. When BOEING got the new rolls Royce engines on the max they were WAY more powerful than they needed. This caused the nose to climb like never before. When the engines gave full power on take-off on climb the nose went up and the trim went down. The trim is struggling to keep the plane down. So when the trim is fighting with the engines the trim will face point blank down because of the engines. cuz of the trim could not keep up with the engines and the nose kept climbing it caused the plane to stall and face down. But because of the trim that is already pointed straight down because of the engines you will have pretty much no luck of leveling that aircraft again on a 4-7000 feet altitude.
Ben Brown
Ben Brown - 2 saatler önce
Wow this video has gone viral!
Heinz Kot
Heinz Kot - 2 saatler önce
thats a big ooph -.-
Benjamin Hagel
Benjamin Hagel - 2 saatler önce
5:22 (leftest vox suggesting capitalism is to blame) 🤣
langweiliges profil
langweiliges profil - 2 saatler önce
Mcasmurderers......
Michele Pagura
Michele Pagura - 2 saatler önce
Very nice video (despite the sad topic) but I miss something: at 4:58 it says that the plane crashed 4 minutes after the system activation, while the timeline shown earlier in the video states something different. Anyone saw the same inconsistency?
James Hallchruch
James Hallchruch - 2 saatler önce
This isn't quite right. I was talking to my uncle over the weekend who is a pilot for BA. The Ethiopian airline pilots TRIED to put the trim back into manual, but the manual override also failed. The data showed them several times trying to turn it off but this also failed. I can't imagine anything more terrifying than knowing what the problem is and not being able to stop it, whilst the plane nosedives itself into the ground
woody wood
woody wood - 2 saatler önce
you are 100% right.
the initial problem is with location of the motor: to high. So, the center of gravity moved too...and everything moved up too... So they tried to correct the problem with a "software patch"... Just to make more money...
F S
F S - 2 saatler önce
A few greedy individuals who will take high risk with other people's lives. Name and shame each one of them right down to the janitor.
Shikhar Anand
Shikhar Anand - 2 saatler önce
I have always this fascinating question in mind about doing business in North America ethically and then this video gives us a gist of the difficulty.
Oliver Sansum
Oliver Sansum - 2 saatler önce
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Music4TheSoul
Music4TheSoul - 2 saatler önce
The problem was the system relied on only one sensor instead weighing the readings against the other two sensors, the aerodynamic characteristics are fairly easy to overcome with the system working property the design is a non issue. One thing that Boeing has continued doing that makes their planes prefered over Airbus Planes, is the amount of control afforded to the pilots, Airbus only allows an insignificant level of control over the plane, so when the system goes haywire, which is an ongoing issue, than the pilots have very little control, most of the issues with Airbus flights are quickly written off as pilot error or phantom turbulence in clear calm weather, which is why they're commonly known as Scarebus by the unfortunate people who have flown on them.
acechandlerac
acechandlerac - 2 saatler önce
All of these lives lost, over some money. They wanted to "keep up" with their rivals and ultimately screwed themselves. I will never step foot on a Boeing.
callmedaddy叫我爸爸
callmedaddy叫我爸爸 - 2 saatler önce
no "made in China" comment now ? oh, made in America
dive shallow
dive shallow - 3 saatler önce
$$$
sparkplug964
sparkplug964 - 3 saatler önce
In these situation competition is not always what you need?
MrAngelIsland
MrAngelIsland - 3 saatler önce
The dark side of capitalism.
Jiarui Zhang
Jiarui Zhang - 3 saatler önce
Boeing need to update their 737, by not only install new engine and wings. It’s 50 yrs old.
Denzal
Denzal - 3 saatler önce
Boycott Boeing.....
CANALI Rodriguez
CANALI Rodriguez - 3 saatler önce
If I was on a plane that was crashing. I'm opening the door and jumping. I'll take my chances. Besides were all dead anyways. Let me fly before I die.
Pauljones
Pauljones - 3 saatler önce
The design and safety team for Boeing should all face manslaughter charges ,I would say I hope Boeing never recover from this but it wouldn’t be fair to their workforce !!!
Thotaro Joestar
Thotaro Joestar - 3 saatler önce
Just a reminder, aboard the flight were the 19 UN members who sanctioned Israel for war crimes
Quonsoko Zuwa
Quonsoko Zuwa - 3 saatler önce
Oh. Well never flying boeing
Роман Белоусов
Роман Белоусов - 3 saatler önce
Сраные американцы - вывернули так, как будто это эйрбас виноват.
JD
JD - 3 saatler önce
rushed money > proper documentation
Charles Greco
Charles Greco - 3 saatler önce
Pretend? Silly statement. I'm sure the folks at Boeing did not want their airplane to crash. This video is speculatiopn at best. The pilots are supposed to know their aircraft BEFORE take off, not while the plane is in the air.
Eric McJilton
Eric McJilton - 3 saatler önce
Yay capitalism!
Pershing M26
Pershing M26 - 3 saatler önce
To avoid any danger, get at least 2 pilots for flight, and add the estimated weight on board the plane to check its flight. If the flight fails to cooperate, parachute your way out. How hard can that be? Then nobody dies.
Too Sense Wirth
Too Sense Wirth - 3 saatler önce
The de Haviland Comet kills 66 people in 2 airliner breaks ups due to the then unknown effects of metal fatigue, the corners of the square windows failing after being pressurized then depressurized many times.  This basically killed  de Havilland's venture into commercial passenger airliners in the 50's.   Boeing kills 346 people in 2 accidents due to rushing the Max into service, and is going to get away with a "My Bad"!
Sam A
Sam A - 3 saatler önce
Greed is the REAL reason
Lennart Krantz
Lennart Krantz - 3 saatler önce
Sloppy work BOEING and FAA. Testing of computer-software should never depend on commercial deadlines. Salesmen should be kicked out of technical departments. So the next version of 737MAX will use a less aggressive software ? And the third version ?
Árpád Juhász
Árpád Juhász - 3 saatler önce
Sad ending :(
tabaks
tabaks - 3 saatler önce
I see 4300 Boeing employees "voluntarily" downvoted the video. If it's MAX Boeing, I'm not going!
Reid Wallace
Reid Wallace - 3 saatler önce
Competition is GREAT for the consumer.
Rzr2ffe
Rzr2ffe - 3 saatler önce
If it's Boeing, into the ground I'm going...
Aaron Bowley
Aaron Bowley - 4 saatler önce
4.3k boeing employees dislike this video
craig stephen
craig stephen - 4 saatler önce
Very odd that plane companies like BOEING never get charged with corporate manslaughter......strange!!
Greg B
Greg B - 4 saatler önce
Crap
The Bacon
The Bacon - 4 saatler önce
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Trevor
Trevor - 4 saatler önce
Good video but it fails to highlight the frailty and inaccuracy of the angle-of-attack sensors supplying erroneous data to the MCAS system. AoA sensors are a relatively-new addition to modern heavy aircraft but are not yet sufficiently reliable upon which to place the entire plane's safety. Add that to an antiquated 1960s airframe made inherently unstable with over-sized, wide-aperture engines, upsetting the centre-of-gravity, plus insufficient pilot training to save money. You then have a witchs' brew of instability and ignorance waiting to kick off and overcome anything the pilots can do attempting recovery if one element fails. TRASH the MAX !!! Completely redesign the 737 from the ground up, with modern technology, instead of putting lipstick on a pig. The 737 has suffered a fatal blow to its reputation and, like the Comet, this 52-year-old lemon will never recover.
Hami Ngatai
Hami Ngatai - 4 saatler önce
Why 4,300 dislike?
This video is the truth
BSPBuilder
BSPBuilder - 2 saatler önce
Boeing employees
Bob S
Bob S - 4 saatler önce
I personally know a high level engineer at Boeing who had told me this is the real reason this happened...pretty crazy they didn’t do enough testing on it and train the pilots that makes no sense!
jah0524
jah0524 - 4 saatler önce
Yeah don't be fooled. The Airbus has had similar problems as the 737 MAX....https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IAmNVa8eYjA
jah0524
jah0524 - 4 saatler önce
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Jose Daniel Marrero Falcon
Jose Daniel Marrero Falcon - 4 saatler önce
Journalism... Talking about everything without knowing a thing.
Slyde InfinitySpinCasts
Slyde InfinitySpinCasts - 4 saatler önce
A lot of this seems really fake or virtual anyhow
some of my simulated flights even have really bad autopilot's also but usually you disengage and trim dive and disengage then power manually giving fun times being the crappest pilot in the air in simulating death of yourself and other's or saving them and landing perfectly , however statistcally this is always been an attitude problem and depends on the wing, eventually all weather control alighned to the runway and atc and conditions including birds or freak turbulance. In this indonesian Max its seems too little experience in the air and least they weren't alone trying to control everything. Can we say the same of cars or other crashes or other collisions in rather congested conditions, i.e walking too fast or even tripping on the boarding ramps.
The design is good essentially to utilise a higher ascent but not quite a Starliner which is designed for it's efficiency. There are others and the presentation and competative non danger prophet margins might be improved by air safety statistics.
Rubeeno80
Rubeeno80 - 4 saatler önce
Boeing is to aviation what Electronic Arts is to Gaming.
Greedy corporations. Just want money.
Anish Reddy
Anish Reddy - 4 saatler önce
So basically GREED
Gear5 ZYF
Gear5 ZYF - 4 saatler önce
when china gov suspended all its 737max in first place, america media said that "overreact".
Ashton M
Ashton M - 4 saatler önce
Just got of a flight from Miami to Philadelphia from Philadelphia to London, thank god I didn’t watch this before 🤕
Blue dragon Games
Blue dragon Games - 4 saatler önce
So your blaming a competitive market? If the market wasn't competitive Boeing wouldn't be trying to fix the plane.
Ebrahim Chowdhury
Ebrahim Chowdhury - 5 saatler önce
its not determined how plane crash , don't guess
thegr8rambino
thegr8rambino - 5 saatler önce
everyone responsible for this needs to be jailed, punished, and boeing gone out of business God willing
Anis El Mansouri
Anis El Mansouri - 5 saatler önce
That's all because of the greed, the human greed for money! they want to save fuel because they want more billions of dollars at the end of the year. Then what happened? people were sadly killed in these air crashes! What a shame!
KeepItReal
KeepItReal - 5 saatler önce
Profit over Life.. Boeing took the risk and failed.. No human life should be worth the risk corporations are making.
Parker
Parker - 5 saatler önce
we love neoliberal capitalism... killing hundreds of people made easy with lack of regulation and a strict focus on the profit
In all seriousness, this was a horrific tragedy and I can't imagine the suffering that these families are going through after having lost their loved ones to these crashes. Better systems need to be created and enforced so something like this Never happens again, in any industry.

Edit: got rid of a bit that was rather insensitive and that I immediately regretted.
Ethan Lamoureux
Ethan Lamoureux - 5 saatler önce
Very good explanation of what most likely led to this situation. Nothing can be done about the lives lost, but at least something is being done to prevent this from happening again. Also, it’s pretty obvious that nobody intended for this to happen. The engineers who designed the systems and the people who made the decisions before releasing the new aircraft model thought they had covered every base, and they were simply meeting the market demand. But even the best plans sometimes don’t work as planned.
Bill Hoang
Bill Hoang - 5 saatler önce
Engineer rule of thumb, NEVER RUSH!
BSPBuilder
BSPBuilder - 2 saatler önce
Do not use software feedback loop to compensate hardware instability. Do not have single point failure.
Emm Pedno
Emm Pedno - 5 saatler önce
simple reason: "Made is usa" there' isn't much in the world that's really worth buying that's "made in the usa", it's all crap. Cars? crap. Electronics? focking crap... I'm looking around in my appartment, looking for any yank things... nothing of value.. NOTHING "made in usa" is good.. even people.
Dudu Yxl
Dudu Yxl - 5 saatler önce
Couple hundred ppl died. Who cares? Ppl have no other choice but flying boeing, and make company richer. It is almost like thanking them for causing so many fatalities. And ppl forget, especially if it didn’t happen to their loved ones
45kellygreen
45kellygreen - 5 saatler önce
Non American pilots just aren't very good either.
Glynis Lailann
Glynis Lailann - 5 saatler önce
"... regulatory safety checks were rushed through." Very sad.
jakeb O'Donnell
jakeb O'Donnell - 5 saatler önce
It's because there nazis
Derek C
Derek C - 5 saatler önce
No one believe this video it’s completely wrong. They don’t even mention the fact that Boeing lift up the whole plane about 10 inches and they make it seem like Boeing took and NG and slaps bigger engines on it and called it good, which is completely inaccurate! MCAS isn’t even a anti stall software that’s just what people call it but it’s not designed to do that but it can help to prevent one if you happen to push the aircrafts flight envelope and require mcas to kick in. It’s really just to make the max handle exactly like an NG for certification purposes. If it wasn’t for that Boeing wouldn’t even need mcas, in fact pilots have tested with it on and with it off and can’t tell the difference. Please do your own research and don’t believe these bias, capitalist hating idiots on vox and others. There just spreading fear while wrapping it in a nice video package.
Gaban
Gaban - 5 saatler önce
Great video, appreciate for that.
Graham Gillett
Graham Gillett - 5 saatler önce
Money money money. Amazing what the big corporates think of life
ROET
ROET - 5 saatler önce
😂Stupid americans!
Michael Scheerer
Michael Scheerer - 5 saatler önce
PROFITS OVER PEOPLE
Poogan123
Poogan123 - 5 saatler önce
Guess who will walk away scot-free. BOEING....
Jim Mooney
Jim Mooney - 5 saatler önce
It all has to do with Supremacy of the Bean Counters.
Brad Armstrong
Brad Armstrong - 6 saatler önce
Typical for Vox....every mistake they make...."we're only human" but any mistake anyone else makes.."Corporate greed" and "Purveyors of death"!! Look, people.....it's NEVER in the best interest of a corporation (which, by the way, isn't an inanimate object...it's a group of PEOPLE) to knowingly sell faulty planes. Get it through Your thick skulls.....planes the fall from the sky are terrible for business. What kind of idiot actually thinks that they KNOWINGLY put out a plane that would fall from the sky, knowing that it could kill their company??? Self-preservation as an aircraft builder is the greatest motivation to advances in safety and quality control.
Let me ask all You twits that are criticizing.......did this problem occur and crash any planes during testing and certification??? No. Which means they had no way of knowing that the system would malfunction...and that when it did, that it would crash the plane. If any of the test planes would have had this problem, they would not have received certification.
Jim Mooney
Jim Mooney - 6 saatler önce
About time the truth came out - I'm sick of hearing about "software" IT"S NOT SOFTWARE. Making a plane that can't fly level is like making a car that can't drive straight. Junk the damn things.
Yahya Al Shami
Yahya Al Shami - 6 saatler önce
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